April 27, 2005

Chinese Christians Persecuted – Not A Human Rights Issue For UN

I’ve written about the plight of Chinese Christians who refuse to join the state controlled churches. They are subject to arrest, torture, and other forms of abuse for exercising the freedom to believe and to worship as they choose. One would think such persecution would be of interest to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights. Sadly, though, it is not.

Not only is it not of interest to that organization, but one of its members, China, recently forced the suppression of testimony about the atrocities it commits against Christians. On April 5, Bob Fu of the China Aid Association, appeared before the group to testify about the case of Cai Zhuohua, a pastor imprisoned for printing Bibles without government permission. Fu noted the use of various instruments of torture, in Chinese prisons. This brought a most disturbing result.

One of the Chinese police's favorite torture devices — and one that has probably been used repeatedly on Cai Zhuohua — is a kind of electric baton. Bob Fu owns such a baton, smuggled out of a Chinese prison. He took it to Geneva after obtaining permission from the secretary of the UNCHR to conduct a demonstration of it during his testimony. This demonstration consisted of Fu's holding it in the air over his head and turning it on for six seconds.

Predictably, the Chinese delegation went berserk, its members claiming that the demonstration made them feel threatened. (One is left to wonder how they would feel if the baton were actually used against them.) They then demanded that Fu be booted from the proceedings. The commission's chairman, obliging chap that he is, agreed. Fu was escorted from the building and stripped of his U.N. badge. His baton was also seized, and has not been returned.

So, it is more serious to offend the government of a repressive dictatorship than it is for that state to engage in the torture of citizens exercising their human rights. How interesting. How pathetic. And they wonder why so many of us do not recognize the legitimacy of the UN any longer.

» Rhymes With Right links with: More Chinese Persecution Of Catholics Loyal To Vatican

|| Greg, 05:01 PM || Permalink || Comments (19) || Comments

Comments on Chinese Christians Persecuted – Not A Human Rights Issue For UN

Aww, boo hoo -- what about the Inquisitions? The Catholic Church savagely murdered thousands of people, perhaps a million, and stole their properties to enrich themselves and now you whine about these damned Chinese X-ians?


|| Posted by Me is the Ridor, April 30, 2005 03:35 AM ||

And no doubt you look at the Holocaust and say "The Hebrews slaughtered the Amorites and stole their riches, and now you complain about these damned European Jews?"

|| Posted by Rgymes With Right, April 30, 2005 08:37 AM ||

This is about relatively current events and not something that happened 500 yeas ago. Funny how people keep referring something that happened 500 years as valid but turn a blind eye that's going on in our backyards.

Typical. Only in NYC...wait, make that Philadelphia.

|| Posted by mcconnell, April 30, 2005 06:48 PM ||

Still reading my blog from day one, mcc -- get a life.

HOlocause was caused by whom? Christians. Starting with the Catholic Church and Lutheran Church -- both preached for years to castigate the Jews. And Hitler picked up on it.

Whose fault was it? Yours, of course -- only in New Mexico would think that no Xian is responsible for it.



|| Posted by Me is the Ridor, April 30, 2005 09:02 PM ||

Christians, Catholics, Muslims, Jewish (insert your favorite religion) were responsible for a lot of human misery back then. Shall I go about whose to blame for the AIDS thing?


As for reading blogs, I read alot of people's blogs, including yours. I've admitted this already before...Key Lime, Shifting Realities, wam bam, daily kos, Malkin, Powerline, GOPbloggers, etc...

Know your enemies.

However, what I didn't do is go about complaining, "your blog is so boring and I'm not going to visit it again" and yet you keep coming back to read my blogs and keep making the same complaint 3 or 4 times. And yet I banned you recently a week ago for violating my rules, and you're a hair away from getting banned at RWR. Yet, you tell me to "get a life"???

I don't whine and complain...

That certainly is funny.

But hey, if I catch you make a mistake on your blog, I'll certainly make a note of it in my blog to correct you. :)

Onward ho!

|| Posted by mcconnell, April 30, 2005 10:16 PM ||

Let's see -- the Holocaust happened because an anti-Semitic group of Social-ists gained political power and scapegoated the Jews for Germany's problems.

These Social-ists received less than a majority of the German vote, and their lowest vote totals came from the Catholic regions of Germany.

While the Jews received the worst from this gang of Social-ists, the Catholic Church and its institutions were also heavily mistreated.

It is estimated by reputable historians that the Catholic Church saved some 750,000-1,000,000 Jews from the death camps set up by these murderous Social-ists, with the figure of 860,000 being the best documented number.

Two succesive popes (Pius XI & Pius XII) denounced both anti-Semitism and the Social-ist regime's persecution of the Jews in Germany -- something that the governments of the United States and England (to name two) did not do until much later.

While the Social-ist group in question is ostensibly rejected by the Left today, its general support fo terrorists who seek to destroy Israel and murder its people prove that the Left remains as committed to the destruction of the Jews today as it was in 1935.

|| Posted by Rhymes With Right, April 30, 2005 10:28 PM ||

Hmm...kool aid drinkers come to mind. The Jim Jones Society of today is indeed quite dangerous, RWR.

Ethnic cleansing, to them, is always justifiable while the many of us abhor it.

|| Posted by mcconnell, April 30, 2005 10:40 PM ||

I dont drink kool aid -- I hadn't drink one in years.

You may as well as go ahead and drink some.


|| Posted by Me is the Ridor, May 1, 2005 06:38 PM ||

Problem is, I don't justify ethnic cleansing in any way shape or form. You might want to look in the mirror again, R.

|| Posted by mcconnell, May 1, 2005 09:15 PM ||

Sometimes it is necessary to wipe the planet off its infections -- like you.


|| Posted by Me is the Ridor, May 2, 2005 03:35 AM ||

Absolutely outrageous, Ridor -- I can only imagine the degree of anger you would express if such a someone had made that comment when we were discussing HIV/AIDS in the homosexual community on the other thread.

The difference -- I would have joined you in expressing anger at that kind of hate -- while you perpetrate it here.

|| Posted by Rhymes With Right, May 2, 2005 05:00 AM ||

Right, RWR. I've never advocated ethnic cleansing...even with HIV realm on ever suggesting that. I'm however outlining stupidity of people who know better regarding the dangers of STDs, even when they have the information.

The thing is, I don't just hate. But what I do hate is seeing stupidity. That's all.

|| Posted by mcconell, May 2, 2005 08:55 AM ||

The whole point is that abstinence programs do not work. Just teach the prevention will. And if the gay rights are enacted, the risks will go from high to low because of self-worthiness. I know because I am there. I can see the high risks associated with promiscuity because of self-worthiness perpetuated by discrimination from the family, churches, government. Go figure.

That does not mean that I have the HIV -- I routinely tested every six months and I can see how it is bad for others when they lacked the support from anyone else in particular.


|| Posted by Me is the Ridor, May 2, 2005 02:23 PM ||

"Routinely tested." - that says alot.

And certainly, abstinence does work. It's up to the person. You're not going to die practicing abstinence. However, not doing so could certainly be the case.

|| Posted by mcconnell, May 2, 2005 04:14 PM ||

And of course, Ridor, teaching people not to drink and drive diesn't work either -- so let's get kids drunk and put them behind the wheel to teach them to be safe drunk drivers.

|| Posted by Rhymes With Right, May 2, 2005 04:34 PM ||

McWeenie, if one person does not want to have sex, that is fine with me. But common sense dictated that the majority of them will have sex sooner or later, like it or not.

So better to teach them the means to prevent themselves from getting STDs. What is so wwrong about it? Why so relentless on abstinence? Most teenagers will not listen to that crap, trust me.

It certainly worked but very few ones will practice abstinence whereas the rest will do it anyway -- so let's do the prevention for the majority. Stop lying around.

Routinely tested is a personal thing, it is none of your business to determine what kind of person I am. You simply do not know who I am. NOr do I with you. Stay out of mine and I'll stay out of yours.

RWR, as always, your logic is flawed.


|| Posted by Me is the Ridor, May 2, 2005 06:32 PM ||

And as usual, you do not bother to refute an actual argument, but instead banter about your personal stuff.

|| Posted by Rhymes With Right, May 2, 2005 06:48 PM ||

Like I said, R, I don't "kiss and tell" and you having an open book in your blogsite doesn't help either. And for you to make comments here, doesn't help either.

Abstinence works. It's a choice when you give them all the options and provide them the risk analysis and awareness, and the graphic reality of contracting STDs. Condoms are not 100% effective, while abstinence is. Simple as that even though they may want to try sex but they need to see the absolute reality of STDs and pregnancy first hand early enough in their life. Nothing wrong with that, either. It all boils down to an informed decision.

|| Posted by mcconnell, May 2, 2005 06:52 PM ||

Abstinence does NOT work for the MAJORITY of the population. It is merely a *choice*.

Hell, I'll just stop talking to you both. I'm done with you both. You simply refused to reason but to berate repeatedly to your advantages.

What I do with my life is none of your business. I chose to be honest about who I am, and if you want to ridicule, so be it. Go ahead. But guess what? I won't participate.

See ya later, f*ers.


|| Posted by Me is the Ridor, May 2, 2005 11:48 PM ||
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