Google
 
Web rhymeswithright.mu.nu

December 09, 2013

One Of Those Times I Agree With The Teacher, Not The Student

I wanted to be upset over this story. I mean, the headline made it sound like it was a really outrageous abuse of power by the teacher – requiring a student to write that which she did not believe. That isn’t what happened, though.

Abigail Cornejo is a Sophomore at Palatine High School in a small town in Illinois who merely wanted to write a paper on the controversial topic of abortion. But her English teacher had something else in mind and told Conejo she couldn’t write on the topic — and if she did, she would have to write from the pro-abortion perspective.

“My English class is doing a controversial issue research paper,” Abigail told LifeNews. “My English teacher, Mr. David Valentino originally told the class we may not do abortion, euthanasia, or legalization of marijuana. I asked why we couldn’t do infanticide, abortion and he replied with, ‘I’ve read too many papers on it. I don’t care anymore.’”

There it is – the teacher excluded the topic of abortion. I might not agree with that decision or the reason for it, but it is perfectly acceptable for a teacher to put some parameters and limitations on an assignment.

But that wasn’t good enough for the student.

She continued: “The next day, for my controversial topic I wrote down abortion and he refused to approve my topic. I asked, ‘Why not? You don’t even have a good reason.” He replied in his I’m higher than you and you have to listen to me voice, ‘It’s an ethical debate. I don’t have to have a reason you aren’t doing abortion.’ We quickly argued about it being an ethical debate and then I told him I’m still going to do abortion and his reply was, “‘If you write a paper on abortion I will not read it and you will get an F. This is an essential writing assignment and if you get an F you will fail this class and have to retake it in the summer or next year. It’s your choice I hope you make the right decision.’”

At this point, Abigail was being a brat. She knew what the parameters of the assignment were, she knew that the topic she wanted to write on was excluded from the permissible topic, and she continued to press the issue. Personally, I would been calling the parents right then, explaining that the student was out of line. Good parents would have backed the teacher on the issue of his authority to set the parameters of the assignment.

Ultimately, the exasperated teacher told the student that she could write on the topic of abortion if – and only if – she wrote from the perspective she opposed. I can’t say I would have done that – but I can’t say that it is an inappropriate pedagogical tool, since it would require the student to look at a controversial issue from a point of view that she does not ordinarily give much weight to. The goal, I think, was to get the student to drop her demand to do a topic that was expressly not permitted under the terms of the assignment – which, in the end, she did. Not that this stopped the student’s bratty behavior, as is evident by her words in the article. She’s clearly still a brat who thinks she is in charge of the class rather than the teacher – and her parents apparently have seen fit to coddle and encourage her bratty behavior.

Mind you, I would not have excluded the topic of abortion from the acceptable topics. Indeed, I gave such an assignment during my days teaching English – and the student who earned the highest grade was one who wrote a superb paper from a pro-choice perspective which earned the highest grade in the class despite taking a position that I found morally reprehensible. But as both an English and Social Studies teacher (on both the high school and college levels) I have imposed limits on topic or rejected proposed topics submitted by students. That is my prerogative as a teacher, and is equally the prerogative David Valentino. That any adult would think differently is shocking.





|| Greg, 07:48 PM || Permalink || Comments (7) || Comments || TrackBacks (0) ||

Trackback Information for One Of Those Times I Agree With The Teacher, Not The Student

TrackBack URL for this entry: http://blog2.mu.nu/cgi/trackback.cgi/284421
Listed below are links to weblogs that reference 'One Of Those Times I Agree With The Teacher, Not The Student'.

Comments on One Of Those Times I Agree With The Teacher, Not The Student

In 1968 I was taking English Lit working on my BS. A fellow classmate said he had the English prof figured out, he was anti-war and all you had to do was write something opposing the war and you would get an A. I wrote on photography and got a C he wrote a paper opposing the war and got his A.

|| Posted by GoneWithTheWind, December 10, 2013 12:47 PM ||

But I really do not see that as the case here -- what we've got is a teacher excluding a topic completely from the assignment and a student brattily insisting that she gets to change the assignment to suit her desires.

|| Posted by Rhymes With Right, December 10, 2013 03:53 PM ||

I had my fair share of teachers and profs limit their assignments. In fact, I managed to change the mind of one prof on the exclusion of a subject simply because I was arguing from a point of view that she had never had presented to her before. She was curious to read my arguement and let me write the paper.

|| Posted by DL Sly, December 10, 2013 04:32 PM ||

This article is incorrect, being a physical witness I can say important details are being left out. SHE COULD WRITE ABOUT ABORTION ONLY IF SHE CHOSE THE TEACHERS POINT OF VIEW.

|| Posted by FIghtForLife, December 12, 2013 01:26 AM ||

I don't know who's opinion this is but it is absurd. Since when is fighting for your rights against an oppressor who is violating censorship laws to impose their opinion unto you being bratty? Her parents made the right choice in backing her up. The amount of abuse students face from (immoral) teachers such as this is ridiculous.

|| Posted by DavidValentinoWillBeFired, December 12, 2013 01:33 AM ||

The article comes from a pro-life source and concedes that the topic of abortion was 100% off limits.

The student was a brat and continued to push despite being repeatedly told she was required to comply with the terms of the assignment or fail.

Again, according to the pro-life source of the article, the teacher conceded that he would allow the student to write about abortion -- but he imposed a legitimate condition upon her if she was to be permitted to write about the topic of abortion. In case you can't figure it out, his goal was to prod her into choosing a different topic, thereby complying with the original assignment -- which she did, being able to write on a topic of her choosing and from the point of view that she supported.

Which leads me back to my original position -- Abigail Cornejo is a brat and a whiner, and her parents' decision to back her shows them to have poor parenting skills.

And by the way -- I've spent some three decades involved with pro-life causes, and even co-founded the pro-life group at Illinois State University back in the 1980s. My issue is not with the student's position on the issue, but with her flagrant disrespect of the teacher's authority to place reasonable conditions on an assignment by excluding certain topics from it.

|| Posted by Rhymes With Right, December 12, 2013 04:21 PM ||

By the way -- posting multiple comments under multiple names to make it look like multiple folks support your position is known as trolling. Your use of the email chessert17@gmail.com was a dead giveaway that you were trolling my site and detracts from the credibility of your comments.

But, little troll, should you decide to come back out from under your bridge, perhaps you can answer some questions.

1) Did the assignment initially exclude the topic of abortion?

2) Having been informed that the topic of abortion was excluded from the assignment, did Abigail on the following day still insist that she was writing her paper on the topic of abortion?

3) Did Abigail then on the third day make another attempt to get abortion approved as a topic?

4) Was Abigail at any time told that her only topic choice was the pro-abortion position, OR was she told that if she insisted on writing on that forbidden topic she could only write it from the position she opposed?

5) When Abigail selected a topic that was within the parameters of the assignment, was there an attempt to force her to write from a position she opposed?

6) Did Mr. Valentino at any point state what his position was on abortion, or did he merely say (as Abigail said in the article) that he did not care to read any more papers on that topic?

Surely if you are a "physical witness" to what happened, you should be able to answer these questions.

But be careful -- if you contradict the information from the pro-life source that I cited, you are calling Abigail a liar since she is the one being quoted on what happened.

|| Posted by Rhymes With Right, December 12, 2013 04:35 PM ||
Post a comment

Remember personal info?


 

 





AnotherMunublogSmall.jpg






Winner - 2013 Fabulous 50 Blog Awards

Winner - 2012 Fabulous 50 Blog Awards

Winner - 2011 Fabulous 50 Blog Awards

Winner - 2010 Fabulous 50 Blog Awards

Winner - 2009 Fabulous 50 Blog Awards

Posts by Category

Announcements (posts: 13)
Blogging (posts: 182)
Border Issues & Immigration (posts: 412)
deferred (posts: 4)
Education (posts: 674)
Entertainment & Sports (posts: 481)
Guns & Gun Control (posts: 65)
History (posts: 329)
Humor (posts: 86)
Israel/Middle East (posts: 44)
Medical News (posts: 54)
Military (posts: 272)
News (posts: 1558)
Paid Advertising (posts: 234)
Personal (posts: 107)
Politics (posts: 5152)
Race & Racism (posts: 276)
Religion (posts: 805)
Terrorism (posts: 858)
Texas GOP Platform Reform Project (posts: 3)
The Courts (posts: 309)
Watcher's Council (posts: 451)
World Affairs (posts: 341)

Archives

December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
December 2006
November 2006
October 2006
September 2006
August 2006
July 2006
June 2006
May 2006
April 2006
March 2006
February 2006
January 2006
December 2005
November 2005
October 2005
September 2005
August 2005
July 2005
June 2005
May 2005
April 2005
March 2005
February 2005
January 2005
December 2004
November 2004
October 2004
September 2004
August 2004
July 2004
June 2004
December 0000



MuNuviana



Licensing

Creative Commons License
This weblog is licensed under a Creative Commons License.

Powered By

Powered by
Movable Type 2.64
AnotherMunublogSmall.jpg

Administrative Stuff

Email Me
Syndicate this site (XML)

Advertising Disclosure

adpolicy.gif

About Me

NAME: Greg
AGE: 50-ish
SEX: Male
MARITAL STATUS: Married
OCCUPATION: Social Studies Teacher
LOCATION: Seabrook, TX
DISCLAIMER: All posts reflect my views alone, and not the view of my wife, my dogs, my employer, or anyone else. All comments reflect the view of the commenter, and permitting a comment to remain on this site in no way indicates my support for the ideas expressed in the comment.

Search This Site


Support This Site



Recent Entries

Harris County GOP Endorses Scott Turner For Texas Speaker Of The House
An Updated Apology That Is Deemed More Correct And Sensitive – But That Also Obscures The Truth
Aren’t The Folks Who Got This Done Just “Apologists For Rape Culture"
Texas-Led Challenge Of Obamnesty Looks like A Winner
A Headline That Is Troubling
An Unlikely Warrior For Marijuana Legalization
Was Atticus Finch A Rape Apologist?
Stop Election Theft By Lawfare In New Mexico
Find The Missing Word
Atheists Billboards Are Free Speech -- But Also Hate Speech In This Case

Blogroll


Watchers Council
  • Ask Marion
  • Bookworm Room
  • The Colossus of Rhodey
  • The Glittering Eye
  • GrEaT sAtAn"S gIrLfRiEnD
  • The Independent Sentinel
  • JoshuaPundit
  • Liberty's Spirit
  • New Zeal
  • Nice Deb
  • The Noisy Room
  • The Razor
  • Rhymes With Right
  • The Right Planet
  • Simply Jews
  • Virginia Right!
  • Watcher Of Weasels

  • Political & Religious Blogs